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29 December 2008 @ 05:18 pm
Meme  
Like no one did this last time, so I'll try again XD;

1. Comment in this post with a pairing, a character, or a threesome.
2. I shall write you back a paragraph explaining what I think about it (good, bad, indifferent) and why.
3. Fools! Let us engage in argumentative affairs if applicable. Repost and you will meet the same fate.

You guys know my fandoms. Saiyuki, Wild Adapter/Araiso, Bus Gamer, Stigma, Fullmetal Alchemist, Yu Yu Hakusho, Yuugiou, and Princess Tutu are the ones I can think of off hand that I'd feel comfortable arguing, and pretty much in the order of comfort, though not entirely....

COME ON GUYS, DO IT THIS TIME.


In other news, this song is like, one giant sexual innuendo. At one point, Kurama is repeating "心の水" which translates to "water of my heart" while Hiei is rapping "Come, come, come" XD;;;;;;;; Tell me that is not blatantly sexual. Please. XD
 
 
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Ten: GoujunTenpoutentiqa on December 30th, 2008 04:13 am (UTC)
Hmn, my 2nd OTP
GoujunTenpou!

And while we are at it, since you said threesome...

GoujunTenpouKenren!
ミランダ (大丈夫)faded_lace on December 30th, 2008 04:19 am (UTC)
Hmm... sorry, I should has specified. I'm not very familiar with Gaiden. Sorry!
Ten: i'm here to help!tentiqa on December 30th, 2008 04:59 am (UTC)
Aww.. Okay, my second OTP in normal-saiyuki verse then.

Hakkai/Sanzo

and bonus question..
Kou, with Yaone or Doku or someone else? *dun dun dun!*
ミランダ (大丈夫)faded_lace on December 30th, 2008 05:23 am (UTC)
I really strongly dislike Hakkai/Sanzo, simply because I believe with all of my hear that Hakkai loves Gojyo and Sanzo loves Goku. Hakkai decided to live because of Gojyo, trusts Gojyo and cares for Gojyo more than anyone else. TO some degree, I think Hakkai feels more at ease with Gojyo because Gojyo is entirely open and simple- he wears his heart on his sleeve, the opposite of Hakkai. Sanzo, on the other hand, is just as guarded as Hakkai, and I don't think they could open up to one another, the way Gojyo is open to Hakkai, which allows Hakkai to ease his way into opening to Gojyo. Sanzo, on the other hand, needs someone immortal-- he's terrified of his loved ones dying, and Goku is immortal... I think he sees Hakkai a step away, in an objective sort of way. He wants Hakkai to be happy, and can see when Hakkai makes stupid decisions and talk to Hakkai about them... but he isn't on the inside, he and Hakkai understand each other but there isn't a passion for one another. I believe Hakkai and Sanzo are compatible as companions, and that they do care for each other, look out for one another... but not on a romantic, sexual, or passionate level.

As to Kougaiji,
-I believe Yaone is devoted to Kougaiji beyond anything else in the world, and could possibly be in love with him. However, I believe that he does not love her-- he's far too preoccupied with his mother and everything else. He cares about her, certainly, but I don't like to see him paired with her. She's too clingy, too feminine... She can't provide the support and care Kougaiji needs. Kougaiji is a train wreck waiting to happen, and Yaone can't save him, can't support him. Yaone isn't what Kougaiji needs.
-I believe Doku is also devoted to Kougaiji and I also think he's in love with him. Though I think Kougaiji probably doesn't notice him, either, I do believe that they could be together. Unlike Yaone, who is needy herself, Dokugakuji is looking to protect and take care of someone, and though Kougaiji doesn't always need to be protected or cared for, he does need support, and Dokugakuji can offer that.

Uhh. Hope that was eloquent enough XD;;;; Sorry
Ten: awesometentiqa on January 2nd, 2009 07:27 am (UTC)
Well, 58 is actually official, so I guess that takes care of that.

Quoted from this LJ. Translation of some I don't know if you've seen it before but...

[Rikei]: No, I should be thanking you… Um, Hakkai-san?... Do you like Gojyo-san?
[Hakkai]: Eh?... Yes, I do. You see, it’s been declared that we devote ourselves to one another
[Rikei]: Gojyo san, are you happy?
[Gojyo]: Ah? … I guess so. Well, it ain’t bad


SQUEE.♥ AND AND LOOK AT THIS AS WELL!! ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF 58 'OFFCIAL-NESS'


But I agree with your points, its all I've ever wanted to say but never could. I like Sanzo/Hakkai to be a secondary pairing, maybe in the past? Because in vol 4, the Sanzo/Hakkai comes off very strong to me only maybe but in later volumes, the 58 gets more stronger. ^^ In Gaiden I only ever write Tenpou/Konzen as a past pairing, same with Goujun/Tenpou; because 10K is so much more fun to write. And you KNOW that Kenren would get jealous so much!


gah, my own reply is so long as well XD
Hmn, your Kou argument makes sense! *is impressed*
ミランダ (大丈夫)faded_lace on January 2nd, 2009 07:43 am (UTC)
Wow, thanks for that translation. Kaen no Zanmu is apparently a novel and a drama CD...? I hadn't heard of it before, but now that you showed it to me, I did some research... as to the "official canon-ness" of 58, I'm not sure, but this really is awesome! Thanks so much ♥

Your second link, however, is broken... can you try again? I'd really like to see what it says!

I'm glad you like my points, but again, even in volume four, I don't see 38. Sanzo is there to keep Hakkai sane-- again, he cares and does want to help with Hakkai's problems, but it's not love, it's not passion. It's objective, more distanced. Sanzo and Hakkai lead Chin Yisou away from Goku and Gojyo because those two are injured-- Hakkai and Sanzo sacrifice themselves for their loved ones, in a sense. And even once they're separate, Sanzo's ways of keeping Hakkai from losing himself are different than Gojyo's-- there's an air of urgency when Gojyo tells Hakkai to remember he's not Gonou anymore, whereas Sanzo coaches him almost like he's on the sidelines. There's not the emotional tie, more like an emotional understanding. All in all, I don't see it. Sanzo and Hakkai have a connection, that's for sure... it's almost like they understand one another without speaking or words. But I've never seen it as love.

I'm glad we can have a debate, it's fun! And thanks so much, I pride myself in my character analysis. XD;
Ten: Sleepy Kennichantentiqa on January 5th, 2009 11:45 am (UTC)
Ooh, well its 58! I'm just happy! ^_____^

*headdesk* I can't belive I messed up on the html for that link. Stupid Tiqa. >__<

http://elfwithattitude.deviantart.com/art/I-m-a-dork-17308092

I don't know if you've seen this already, but yeah. *SQUEEE*

Hmn, well, I don't know if its just me, but I remember looong looong looong time ago around 5 or so years ago there were a bit more 383 fanfics than 585. I guess I got that preference from there, and I think most of the fanfic writers got most of their material mostly from vol 4, or the Yisou arc.


I like to think that Minekura tried going for 383 at first then changed tack to 585, but that's just me. From what you said, 383 seems to be more of a platonic friendship? Or if it ever goes sexual, a 'friends with benefits' situation? I find 535 is more lust than love as well, but then again, that's jsut me talking.

Hehe. I fail at coherence though >__
ミランダ (大丈夫)faded_lace on January 5th, 2009 06:42 pm (UTC)
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Haha, yeah, I have seen that. There are also a few manga clips where you can cut their faces out and put them together and they'll be kissing XD;;;

I've recently reread ^^; Or else it would have been just as long for me. But what fandom does really doesn't perturb me, seeing as I feel Minekura does her best to put in hints for every combination and pair ever, and to just make everyone as gay as possibly subtextually. Fans will jump on anything, really. I mean, I've seen Gojyo/Hazel just because they argued a deal in book 6. The Chin Yisou ark never gave me any vibe of 383 in a sexual or romantic sense, even the first read through, before I had any pairings in mind. Sanzo just seemed out to keep Hakkai sane.

Again, I really can't agree with this... because just after Chin Yisou, she launches into Be There, and ark completely saturated with 58. There is so, so much 58-subtext in that ark that I don't think she could have possibly had anything else in mind... after all, from comments everyone makes, it's obvious she had the Be There story planned before she started the series. Also, straight before Chin Yisou shows up, Hakkai is off on his own in the woods emoing, and Gojyo is the one who comes to find him. That section is also rather indicative of 58, from the comments they make and the genuine concern Gojyo shows for Hakkai. Also remember that the first person Chin Yisou attacks to get at Hakkai is Gojyo. In order to force him to watch Sanzo shoot Gojyo, in order to get Hakkai on edge, to pass out, even, he attacks Gojyo first. Even in the earlier arcs, such as the one with Shunrei, where Gojyo is hitting on her because he thinks Dokugakuji may have been her fiancee, there are strong hints towards 58. I don't believe Minekura ever doubted the pairings she had in mind, but I do believe she likes to hint at everything, just for fun. Half of volume 7 is an example of her throwing in some 53, even though, for the most part, she clearly aims towards 39, and there are also, if less prominent, examples of 89 and 59, and though I could tell you them if I had the books in front of me, I can't right at this instant...
ミランダ (大丈夫)faded_lace on January 5th, 2009 06:42 pm (UTC)
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Yes, from what I firmly believe, Hakkai and Sanzo have a firm sort of friendship, though neither of them would call it that. They're more like sisters in the way that Gojyo and Goku are like brothers (always fighting and arguing and very competitive with one another but having each other's back and really caring for one another); they can tell one another's feelings and look out for one another, even if they don't say or do it openly. Because they both have such difficulty with emotions, they have a sort of understanding, and Sanzo can see Hakkai's situations from a higher sort of ground, in a better sort of light than Hakkai, who's in the midst, and vise versa. They understand each other in a way that the other two, who are, at times, overly emotional, could not understand them. I don't think this sort of understanding is compatibility for love, but rather, a good basis for an unspoken friendship, a sort of relationship where they respect one another but look out for one another in times of need. As to the friends with benefits thing; pre-relationship for either of them, I can see, in a specific instance, them maybe having sex. There would have to be a specific reason, though, and it would be a favour from one to the other. I think both of them are too smart to engage in a situation that might eventually leave either of them vulnerable, especially emotionally (I read a study on casual sex, and it showed that a majority of people become emotionally attached to the person with whom they're having the casual sex). So yes, I can see them having sex at some point for some reason, but not consistently.

As to 535, I really hate it, but yes, I can see, if, for some reason, Sanzo needed sexual favours, something happening between the two. In this relationship, however, I don't think either could be comfortable because it would be a constant struggle. Sanzo can never, ever give up being in a position of power because he terrified, and I think it would take years of a loving relationship for him to ease out of that, if he ever really could. Gojyo, on the other hand, needs open love and constant reassurance in an intimate relationship, because he feels abandoned by everyone he's ever loved. I feel as if they could never fully let down their guard to one another, and neither would benefit emotionally from the situation. Though sexually, I'm sure it would work fine, if only for a short period of time, I don't think either would really be truly comfortable with it, and, in the end, it would lead to something bad happening, a fall out or something. I just don't think either is the correct niche, if you will, for the other. They don't provide what the other needs, like Goku provides for Sanzo and Hakkai provides for Gojyo, and vise versa.

Haha, sorry I wrote you another essay...
Syomimashou on December 30th, 2008 04:53 am (UTC)
Scar/Al. XD;;

And I'm really amused by those lyrics. XDD I never really noticed what Kurama was saying there before... Water of my heart??? XD;;;
ミランダ (大丈夫)faded_lace on December 30th, 2008 05:04 am (UTC)
I think Scar and Al could totally have worked out if things were different. Al acknowledged that Scar was human-- really worried about him, cared about his feelings, didn't just see him as "that murderer," and Scar... well, I suppose he'd take some warming up, but I think in a different situation, with a different ending, it could have worked. Because Al really did care about Scar.

Also, yes. XD;;;