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07 November 2013 @ 09:48 am
So it's official?

I'm really surprised that this actually came to fruition. I'm tentatively happy for Yokoo, Miyata, Senga, and Nika, because they deserve a chance to be in the limelight, but I really don't want this to break the group apart even further than it already is. The KisuMai split is part of what completely pushed me out of KisuMai for a long time, and I'm honestly sort of still trying to come to peace with them as a group (very expensive concert tickets I just purchased aside), and while I want this to be a good thing, being the pessimist that I am, I'm worried. I don't want to see KisuMai ripped apart further than they already have been. But... I'm going to buy it. I don't know if the unit is a good idea in the long run, but I want to show that I support the guys, and I want to help give them their own success, if I can. Also, I do have to say, 舞祭組 for "Busaiku" is like really adorable.

Still, watching old Shounen Club episodes, listening to Daybreaker, reading ABC-Z members saying in passing that they miss working and hanging out with KisuMai... it breaks my heart a little.

Mostly, I feel like this whole thing just... makes me respect Nakai so much. At first, I was hurt by his poking fun at the back four, but I realized over time by the things he said to them during music shows that he was actually trying to draw attention to the inequality of it all, and was trying to give them chances to talk and to be the center of attention. I started to think he was as bothered by it as I was, and seeing this happen really proves it. I think... if anything comes out of this, it's that I really respect Nakai a lot more now.

Completely unrelated, though, I'm really happy to see that Nakai has a new music show. I was sad when Kayou Kyoku ended.

...hopefully this entry was coherent. I'm so sleep deprived. >___>;
Current Mood: worriedworried
Current Music: Kis-My-Ft2//Brand New Season
S: Nika: contemplativeyomimashou on November 6th, 2013 09:39 pm (UTC)
I pretty much agree with you on all of this... I hope this is good for them in the long run ;~; But Nakai is amazing, and that kanji is the best thing ever ♥ I'm happy that he's getting a new music show too, but I'm sad it's on late at night XD;;
ミランダ (大丈夫): Tama: hopefulfaded_lace on November 6th, 2013 09:45 pm (UTC)
I hope that it raises awareness of their existence without becoming a permanent thing, basically... but yeah, I should have known that it would be something cute, not just "busaiku." And yeah... I need to get a recording device. =___=
karmeejane26karmeejane26 on November 6th, 2013 09:43 pm (UTC)
the bias in the group of kisumaimakes everyone sad as we them to have equal spotlights.

will they be really called Busaiku?? and correct me if i'm wrong, they will be composed of 4 members from kisumai?? and also debut as a subgroup?

i wonder if this will affect kisumai or what.
ミランダ (大丈夫): Nikaido: contemplativefaded_lace on November 6th, 2013 09:58 pm (UTC)
Don't take my word on this, because I'm still a bit fuzzy on the details. But on Kisumai's regular variety show "Kisumai Busaiku," Nakai guested and said he felt bad for the back four and wanted to give them their own single. No one was sure if it was true, but then Nakai talked more about it on his radio show, and now it's been announced in relation to his new TV show, so apparently, Miyata, Yokoo, Senga, and Nikaido will be getting a single together as a unit called "Busaiku" or 舞祭組

I don't know how much you're familiar with the word, but "busaiku" normally means something like "ugly and made of fail" or something like that. But the group name is a play on words, with kanji that mean "dance", "festival", and "group." So I think Nakai is making a pun on the fact that they're not popular or thought of as handsome, but they're actually very talented. I don't know if this single is going to be a one-time thing or if they're actually planning on making this a sub-unit, but at any rate, I wouldn't exactly call it a debut in the same way, for example, that "Nakayama Yuma w/ B.I. Shadow" didn't really have a debut. News reporters will call it a debut if they release a single for the first time, but that doesn't mean it's a debut in terms of Johnny's. There have been plenty of temporary units (like Matchy w/ Question, Snow Prince Gasshoudan, Yuma with BIS, Ya-ya-yah, etc) who have put out one single and then never worked together again.

Like I said in my post, I hope that this doesn't break KisuMai further apart than they've already been broken. To me, this could be a good thing or a bad thing. I want to see the back four get more attention and grow in popularity, but I don't want to see KisuMai made more and more into two units rather than one group together.
karmeejane26karmeejane26 on November 6th, 2013 10:19 pm (UTC)
Now, I see. I am familiar with Kisumai's show but don't really know what's happening. Thank you for explaining. :) I'm glad that Nakai made this step somehow, but yes, we are still not sure if this will be a good or bad thing for Kisumai. I agree with you, that we don't want to see them more apart.
But yes, I still hope that these guys will have more chance in the spotlight because they are indeed talented and it will such a waste if they won't show it. Good luck to them.
aah, about the name, because i searched about the term busaiku, which is something negative, but the Kanji 舞祭組 gives a great meaning.
ミランダ (大丈夫): Tama: we never give upfaded_lace on November 6th, 2013 10:35 pm (UTC)
No problem. I honestly am not sure myself everything that's happening, since it's sort of surprising that this all is actually coming together. I honestly thought Nakai was joking at first.

But yes, I really like the name kanji. Hopefully this will bring good things.
Jen: Nika-chanjuliet418 on November 13th, 2013 01:41 pm (UTC)
Thank you for explaining this. I too was surprised when I heard of they were getting a single and unit but the name just seemed so mean. I'm glad its a play on word/kanji. I really am glad they are getting some exposure. I just hope its good and not just going to wind up being made fun of, they are talented and while I love the trio, I love Kisumai as a group and not just the main 3 or the unfortunate 4 or whatever. Kisumai is Kisumai. But yes thank you for explaining.
ミランダ (大丈夫): Tama: hopefulfaded_lace on November 13th, 2013 07:34 pm (UTC)
Re: Thanks
You're welcome. ^^; Let's keep our fingers crossed for KisuMai being more fair in the future.
Micchiohryouchipi on November 6th, 2013 10:41 pm (UTC)
nakai always my fav senpai since i know him from utaban. he always make fun of his kohai but i've never offended of his words as a fan of group that he made fun of.
now, he make this unit made me feel gratefull. he really nice senpai, isnt he?
and it's show that a talent from J&A can actually produce something * i always thought that they only as talent, not much work in behind the scene stuff* and now i am waiting for takki to do something the same beside takki channel.

same as you, i used to like kisumai because of playzone 2009, but when they debut i felt so happy but then i saw their format since then i've stay away from them, i dont like it. start to follow them again since i watched busaiku and found it good variety show. but again sometime i feel annoyed that tama and taipi always get the top rank, even though i like them, and happy when mitsu often in bottom rank, lol and i'd be so happy if one of the four can be the top in that show.

and now this unit happen, really cant wait how it turn out, and what kind of concept that nakai has.
they indeed good at dancing and i've heard senga's voice and actually he sounds good, his voice is better than tama, i guess. but it's just my opinion.
at that time when i heard his voice i thought, why he didnt get much line?? it's just so waste.

let's just wish them the best and not will affect the group, and wish after this their 3-4 format will disolved and like one unity *at least they start to wear same color clothes, anything that show that they are one group*

ミランダ (大丈夫): Tama: hopefulfaded_lace on November 7th, 2013 12:34 am (UTC)
I used to be sort of annoyed by Nakai's demeanor, but now that he's shown that he really does care about his kouhai, I realized that the whole time he was looking out for them. I really respect him, especially since he really didn't have to do this and probably put a lot of work into it.

And yeah, I feel the same way. I think that in a lot of ways, SMY2 are more talented the KFT (and I honestly don't think Tama's that good at singing. I think Senga's probably better than both Tama and Fujigaya) and it frustrates me to see them treated the way they are. I hope this is just a one-time thing, and that if helps ease the 3-4 split, rather than making it worse.
Micchiohryouchipi on November 7th, 2013 12:44 am (UTC)
if it's good, i dont mine it's something like NYC as long as it's not affected kisumai.
yes, nakai actually a good man, and i think all smap members are care for their kohai esp johnny's jr. because in their show it's often Jr that get appearance as guest etc.
ミランダ (大丈夫): Nikaido: contemplativefaded_lace on November 7th, 2013 01:00 am (UTC)
I don't know, I don't really like the thought that "busaiku" will be permanently attached to SMY2's image. I mean, the name NYC wasn't an insult. I also don't like to see them permanently in such arbitrary groups. I'd much rather see KYF and SMT2, which was based on age and junior groupings, rather than "handsome" and "ugly" or something like that. I really hope that it's just a one time thing.

Yeah, Nakai is a really good senpai. I don't know about KimuTaku, though... XD
Micchiohryouchipi on November 7th, 2013 01:08 am (UTC)
if in that term then yes, actually it's bad.

i guess kimutaku is good senpai, refer to kame's story. kimutaku nice to him even though he hasnt debut yet, and i guess in some way johnny senpais care for their kohais.
but usually they seldom show it, like always show that they are bad senpai,
i dont know why it's hard for johnny's to show a very good relationship, i mean often my fav bromance in JE has to pretend that they dont care for each other, or not allowed to show it often.
ミランダ (大丈夫): Fuma: hmmfaded_lace on November 7th, 2013 03:39 am (UTC)
My point is... I don't want to see a divide if it's a weird artificial one like this, based on who they think is "good looking" or "not good looking." I don't mind subgroups, but I want them to be based on something other than "oh we like these guys better than those guys."

I'm not say that all senpai don't care for their kouhai XD Or even that KimuTaku is a bad senpai, per se. I just don't really like his attitude.
xanithofdragonsxanithofdragons on November 6th, 2013 10:51 pm (UTC)
I'm really glad that they chose kanji for the name, although I'm still frustrated there's still pretty limited information about this single. >_< There was an online store that tweeted about a release date, but took down the page they linked to and later the tweet, so I don't know how accurate any of that information was... But since 舞際組 has now appeared in two sources, the name at least looks official.

I had really conflicted feelings about the single when I first heard about it, but when I think of it as the clearest way fans can show they want things to change and want more exposure and work for Yokoo, Miyata, Nika, and Senga, I know I'll buy it, especially because I like all of them.

While I don't really want it to become a regular unit or anything, when I think of other groups that have set units within them, they're all really close still. I know about V6 the best of groups that would fit in that category, and fans say all the time they're one of the closest groups in Johnnys, so there's a good chance things will work well even if they do have stable units. I'd also guess that no one wants this single to succed more than Mitsu, Gaya, and Tama, too.

Even though I only got into Kisumai and A.B.C-Z after they debuted, reading about their interactions and seeing them interact on old Shokura episodes really makes me want to see more in the future.
ミランダ (大丈夫): Nikaido: contemplativefaded_lace on November 7th, 2013 12:15 am (UTC)
Yeah, it's only been cropping up unofficially, so I'm pretty confused about the whole thing, but this article makes it seem like it's official? I'm hoping, at least...

I agree with you, and I'll definitely buy it, because I do want to send that message to the management, but I'm still pretty conflicted. When I first heard about it, I thought Nakai was joking, and so I just sort of forgot about it, but when it got brought up again on his radio show, I didn't know what to think. I know that plenty of groups have subgroups-- I'm a huge Hey! Say! JUMP fan, so I have nothing against groups within groups, but the thing about KisuMai is that... I don't want them to have subgroups for this reason. I don't want the subgroups to be the "hot guys" and the "ugly guys" or the "popular guys" and the "unpopular guys." As it is, I think it's sweet the way Nakai is turning "busaiku" from an insult into a nice thing with the kanji, but I just don't feel good about that breakdown, because it's... like making something bad into something marginally tolerable? I'm much better with the Kitayama/Fujigaya/Yokoo and Miyata/Tama/Nika/Senga split that they used to have, because that was based in perfectly understandable reasoning. KFY were in the original Kis-My-Ft for a long time with Ida (I know Senga was a long time ago, too, but he wasn't for a good period in the middle) and then SMT2 were ABC Junior before they got added back to make Kis-My-Ft2. Breaking them into groups based on this really uncomfortable chasm that the management has created just... gives me a really "separate but equal" feeling. It's just... not really equal at all.

It just breaks my heart that it seems like KisuMai is "too good" for ABC-Z these days when before they'd always been more like two halves of the same whole...
xanithofdragonsxanithofdragons on November 7th, 2013 12:37 am (UTC)
Yeah, I really wish they'd put an official release date up or at least some info on the official site or something to make it all clearer. I was so worried it was an offhand joke or something that wouldn't be followed through on for a while, too.

I agree that if they're going to have subgroups I don't want it to be split this way either. I'd rather have busaiku as a one-time thing if they're gonna do it. I like the ani-gumi and otouto-gumi split better, too, since it makes more sense either way: splitting them into the older members and younger members both in terms of age and in terms of who was with what unit first. The current arrangement seems so arbitrary, based on... nothing in particular, really, that I'd really prefer them to mix up how they split it more, or just try to make their screen time as equal as possible or shift who gets more attention based on the song or situation.

I've got the vibe of this single being a way to make something bad into something tolerable, too. Although it seems like a decent way to get more attention for members who have gotten less attention up to now, it doesn't feel like it's really changing the status quo.

I really love it when Johnnys appear together in dramas or appear on each other's variety shows, and I love it even more when they're from two groups I like a lot, so seeing two groups who are obviously so close not get to do that much is really sad.
ミランダ (大丈夫): Tama: hopefulfaded_lace on November 7th, 2013 12:57 am (UTC)
Yeah, at first I really thought it was just an offhand comment and that nothing would come of it. I was really surprised when something did come of it. But I am happy for the opportunity to put my money into proving I care about SMY2.

And of course, yeah, age makes sense; I mentioned the junior groupings because I know Miyata and Yokoo aren't actually that far apart in age (sort of like Sou and Shori in the Sexy Zone split, if you follow them at all). But yeah. I totally agree with you 100% on everything you said. This is a temporary fix to a major problem, and changing the dynamic in KisuMai as a whole is what needs to be done, rather than giving SMY2 a pat on the back and acting like this is a charity project or something.

Yeah, I agree. I like seeing them together no matter who it is, so seeing these two, who are like intrinsically attached, separated is like... really sad.
xanithofdragonsxanithofdragons on November 7th, 2013 11:09 am (UTC)
If this becomes an opportunity to show that hey, SMY2 are just as talented and interesting (if not more) compared to KiFT, and that they're holding up the group as much as any other members, then I think it could turn out okay, but I don't want to get my hopes up, since with Kisumai, it always feels like they're taking one step forward and then two steps back. And I guess part of what makes it so frustrating is that I feel like Kisumai's group bonds are pretty solid and that they have a stable dynamic going on internally, but management does this weird stuff that makes no sense. It feels like management is presenting them in an unnatural way when I want to see Kisumai's natural dynamic come through.
ミランダ (大丈夫): Kitayama: introspectivefaded_lace on November 10th, 2013 07:51 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I agree wholeheartedly about the one step forward/two steps back thing, and about the natural dynamic vs contrived image, as well. I really don't agree with Ijima's management choices as a whole. and wish that KisuMai had been managed by Julie, instead. I guess all we can do is hope for the best.
Kitayama might be taking a picture of this: oh noez jrzmousapelli on November 6th, 2013 11:19 pm (UTC)
oh we have a song title! and it's super cute! awesome! I am looking forward so much to hearing their voices. I hope I like the song and stuff, but honestly just hearing them clearly I can be satisfied ♥

Nakai is definitely doing this to promote them positively, and I really think a lot of him for doing this and following through.
ミランダ (大丈夫): Tama: we never give upfaded_lace on November 6th, 2013 11:34 pm (UTC)
I'm a little confused about the song title. XD; Like, is it a pun that I'm missing? Is botamochi something besides a food? Is this some Kisumai thing that I'm missing because I haven't been following them as much for like a year now? |D;;; But no matter what the song is like, I'm really looking forward to hearing their voices and seeing them show what they can do, too. ♥

I agree wholeheartedly. I'm really impressed that he took the initiative to follow through with this when he really wasn't obligated to at all, and when comments like that get made on variety shows with no follow-through all the time.
Kitayama might be taking a picture of this: oh noez jrzmousapelli on November 6th, 2013 11:44 pm (UTC)
as a phrase, that whole thing means "a stroke of good luck", it's an idiom (or that's my japanese study site said, it had the whole thing as a phrase. Cute!
ミランダ (大丈夫): Tama: we never give upfaded_lace on November 6th, 2013 11:50 pm (UTC)
OHHH gdi idioms always get me. XD;;; I just read it in the Japanese article and was like lolwut |D;;; Thanks for clearing that up! That title is adorable, omg. I love it.